clinton. whether it is real naivete, i go noshs of the law or feeling they can do whatever they wanted to because they were who they are, i think it none straighted to the russians who were party to this that there was a bite on their line. and then they started to reel people in. because if they showed up for a meeting where they thought they were going to get dirt on a candidate, it showed a motivation and an inclination to accept that type of information from individuals of questionable backgrounds and affiliation. >> let me ask you straight up, everything we think we know about the trump tower meeting, what donald trump jr. testified before the senate judiciary committee and the version of events based on the transcripts that we have all read today, do you believe those version of events? or do you think we don't actually know what happened in that trump tower meeting?