amounts of money and effort and lord knows how many lives in prison and work camps to buy this insurance policy for that regime, and it's a pretty good insurance policy. >> worked so far. makes them relevant. gives them national identity. part of their national identity is being a nuclear capable country. >> and let's face it, the world treats a nuclear power differently from the way it treats anybody else. >> is there any move for the president other than walking away for now to make him -- if he does anything to look like he's not willing to walk away right now, is he already giving kim jong-un a win? >> once we verify that this is accurate? that's the scary question, is what's the fall back. are we back to hey, dotard, hey, bad boy, let's compare buttons, joke about nuclear war on twitter. like we don't know what the alternative is. >> i know what john bolton would want the president to say.