investigations, has rolled back nearly two dozen regulations over the past year. and then there's mick mulvaney, who temporarily heads up the consumer financial protection bureau, an agency he once said he wanted to, quote, get rid of. since taking the job last november, his second job in the administration, he was working two at the time, mulvaney has tried to do just that. with me now the only other person to ever have that job. richard cordray. he is now running for governor of ohio. the consumer finance protection bureau was i think envisioned as a kind of frankly progressive agency, but what happens if you make an agency of the government and you hand it over to the other party, they have a different vision of it. what do you think of your successor's job? >> it's been true throughout the federal government. the epa, hhs, cfpb, they've been against the missions of the agencies they're heading. i think it's distressing what's happened to cfpb. they're not standing on the side of consumers as we did, not looking out for people, protecting them from being cheated and mistreated.