that if you want to have rational policy the message is essentially to europe. if you want to have rational policy you need to work with us, not against us. trump has taken a deal that was a solid deal and thrown it out the window with the apparent fantasy that he can make a bigger deal, a better deal, a surer deal, a safer deal. because, after all, he's all about the art of the deal. essentially, by holding up "fire and fury," the iranians are making the point he is an irrational player, not a rational one, and as a result nobody should trust him. >> let's talk about the deal. is president trump using a bombastic strategy with iran in the same way he did with north korea? can he be confident that it worked on north korea? >> well, you know, i think if you go back in the history of american contacts with north korean leaders, back to jimmy carter in 1994 or back to the director of national intelligence, james clapper,