formally lobbied. there are even more who have gotten wavers so they can work outside and act as consultants inside the government. this is kind of business as usual these days, but this is trump's idea of draining the swamp. >> if you talk to any businessperson, what they want is two things. they want lower taxes. this guy delivered. gave them what they want. all kinds of reductions in cap gains everything and. he did what they wanted. he delivered as a lobbyist himself. trump was -- second, they all want to get rid of environmental regulations. they put scott pruitt in there. every top rich businessman in the world should be for donald trump. he's their chief lobbyist. he doesn't need to be lobbied. he's one of them! >> well, i mean, in some ways -- but that's also what the people voted for, right? >> duo you think? do you think the average guy in skrcranton or waukegan voted fo lowered environmental regulation? >> i think what they voted for was the idea that trump would go in there and change things up and what they got who has sort of objectively done things that rich people and businesspeople want. but i would say that i've talked