that he isn't still a figure, a witness potentially a subject. we don't have any indication he's a target in the collusion or obstruction investigation. there are things that pertain to what cohen has firsthand knowledge of, right? >> the thing about cohen in this whole thing, everyone thinks just because parts of it are in new york doesn't mean parts of it are not down here with bob mueller. but there are significant questions about cohen on the russia investigation. he's in the dossier we know the dossier is part of the allegations that they're looking at. there are allegations about meetings that he had. there are questions about his efforts to do russian real estate deals during the campaign. so, there is this whole notion that, like, oh, michael cohen is a new york thing. it's not a washington problem, it's not a mueller issue. but i don't think they're mutually exclusive. they're not. >> and you've also reported that bob mueller subpoenaed trump organizations. a th that could well include cohen's conduct. he did his dealings with stormy