sit on the swiss desk. i stepped up. i was not on the sidelines. i was on the front lines and in the cold war and on the front lines in al-qaeda. i'm proud of the fact we captured the perpetrator of 9/11. i think we did extraordinary work. to me the tragedy is that the controversy surrounding the interrogation program which as i've already gated to senator warner, i fully understand that, but it has cast a shadow over what has been a major contribution to protecting this country. >> i respect a number of those points. i just am trying to get answers here to questions that i think are particularly relevant. according to a press store today about the destruction of the interrogation videotapes, jose rodriguez told you in advance that he was going to take matters into his own hands. did that conversation happen? >> senator, no, it did not. mr. rodriguez indicated to me that he planned to discuss it