to run a hand fisted boondoggle run silicon valley type of thing and he ran that. so you don't want to say he is close to putin, he plays by putin's rules to keep his money. >> i thought the 2004 egg collection when you pointed to is interesting which he was essentially kind of a straw purchaser for the russian government. >> well he was trying to curry favor with the kremlin by repatriating this russian cultural heritage at a time when putin was just starting to make russia great again. >> so here is what i find fascinating about what we are -- what is emerging into the light. michael avenatti said there were payments from the associate with the russian oligarch and went to michael cohen and maybe it was reimbursed to storm and the money doesn't match up but now the best case scenario for