i imagine robert mueller will use them with a grain of salt because of the shifting stories that we've seen here. but it's really legally perilous for a lawyer to get out there and make these statements on behalf of his client. >> and, ashley parker, your paper included a story on saturday and i heard it today from sources close to white house counsel don mcgahn and new russia lawyer emmet flood that those two lawyers who have a lot of responsibilities, flood in the russia investigation and don mcgahn as white house counsel, have not green lit whatever this strategy is that rudy and the president seem to be carrying out. is that -- do you have anything new on that today? >> so, that was certainly true initially. not did they just not green light, but they had no idea what was coming. there was a sense that in at least one of the clean up efforts, i believe it was on friday, rudy giuliani sort of put out a statement trying to walk back some of the stuff he said previously, that there was