because they know that's one untruth. they're just not going to tell. the only thing we know for sure about this entire controversy is the president and his surrogates have consistently lied. they have been all over the place when addressing the scandal. now, i still find it hard to fathom that donald trump would actually repay any money he owed to anyone. if he could get away with not paying. especially a sum that was larger. you never hear of people talking about working at the trump organization because their salaries were so great. you never hear people talking about how donald trump is rushing to pay them. this is part of the reason he has trouble getting a great lawyer for his team. he's known to run away from all his legal fees. notorious over decades in new york city. i still find this story to be incredibly difficult to believe. >> eddie, back to this idea that rudy giuliani says he's in lock step with the president. they may be, but sarah sanders humiliated herself yesterday.