is there something mueller can lay out here where the president starts losing support? do you think there is something mueller can lay out? >> i can imagine one but i don't see it coming. they plighted their -- plated their trough to this guy and they are going to stick with him. >> trump him in preying. getting the e-mails? >> watch his children, too. if jared kushner in some way, if his son-in-law is involved that would do it. >> chuck, the strategy is to make sure that the base, no matter what the charge is or what he is found gelf or what the crime is that they don't believe it. that's why you have sean hannity during the mueller crime family chart. to discredit -- >> they are conditioning his base to not believe whatever is said. >> we are talking about -- he is paying a porn star. who survives that.