would argue he should be subpoenaed before the grand jury. >> rick? >> senator, seeing that rudy giuliani's interview on sean hannity admitted there were structured payments from donald trump to michael cohen it reminds you of another case, dennis hastert, former speaker of the house, was convicted on structured payments to hide an underlying wrongdoing which was payments to one of his sexual victims which he couldn't -- which the statute of limitations had rung out so there was no underlying crime to convict there. but is there a comparison to these two cases? >> there is a comparison to the extent that there are records and probably highly incriminating records that are in the government's hands as a result of the april 9 raid on cohen's office and rudy giuliani's statements last night may well create a crime fraud exception, any climb of