this morning, right up until two hours before you posted your story, where he never mentioned it, never came up, gave no indication he was on his way out. do you have any clearer sense if he jumped or if he was pushed? >> well, there's two things about this. one is that ty cobb is a veteran washington lawyer. he's been around for a long time and he is close to retirement. you know, he likes to spend time down in south carolina, and that all sort of fits. but what else was going on is that don mccann, the white house cown semi, really wanted him out and really spearheaded this effort. he thought cobb had given up way too much to the special counsel, in working with his lawyer, bill burke, who is actually good friends with emmet flood. they worked to recruit flood over the past year and increasingly in the past few months. mcgahn and burke convincing him to come in. mcgahn and flood see things the same way, the privilege issue should be exerted more and more should be kept away and there should be a more adversarial