on that piece in the west who broke that story i was just reading. carol, what did you learn about what sounds like quite an intense meeting between the president's lawyers and mueller? >> yes, this was an interesting meeting that seems to keep producing interesting news. it was march 5th. the president's then lead lawyer and colawyer sat down with mueller in his office to basically talk about whether or not they were going to do the interview. a lot of things happened. some of which we've already reported. this is the meeting where mueller tells trump's lawyers that trump is not a criminal target of his investigation at that point but just a subject. now we're learning that in that meeting, mueller raised the possibility not in a threatening way but kind of a veiled threat of i can subpoena your guy if you don't want to voluntarily bring him in. it caused not harsh words but some tense conversations about how the mueller investigation from trump's point of view was