>> there is no rationale. this administration is trying to be as difficult to prevent the individuals from presenting their case. we're not only seeing people being left out in the dirt, but we're also seeing that some of the people, some of the families are being ripped apart. if a mother comes with her children, they're going to separate that family and we have cases where young babies as young as one-year-old are separated from their parents. not only that, but they're presenting their case. the judge now doesn't even have to hear testimony from the asylum seeker. >> why? wait. >> i'm going to tell you that. i'm going to say this. mike pence did meet with border agents along the california border yesterday. 100 miles from where the migrants are. here's what he had to say about it. here's why he says the government is doing what it's doing. >> this caravan like those who have gone before is also rightly understood as a deliberate attempt to undermine the laws of this country and the sovereignty of the united states. these people are victims.