the most white shoe law firm in atlanta, the guy who was the can't-miss candidate. you go into his stately office and they was epitome of southern -- just southern aristocracy. and then a friend of yours said, hey, i want you to meet this other guy that i love and you walked -- you met him downtown atlanta and what you saw was completely different. tell us about that. >> well, thank you for letting me say that. i had worked in the johnson white house for year in harvard law school and the humphrey campaign. when he lost i went back to atlanta and i made a beeline for the office of former governor sanders. he was the odds-on favorite. a high school friend henry bauer insisted i see this unknown state senator who was running, jimmy carter, and i said i made a commitment to sanders. so i had two meetings with him in an office that was starkly