baker, fbi jem counsgeneral cou on a lot of these calls and listening in. during another exchange, here's what schiff asked, quote, if the director didn't lift the cloud of the russia investigation that the president would take action against you? mccabe replied, that's correct. that was my concern and as i understand it, that was director comey's concern as well. but again, to your point -- the more you get from mccabe, despite the fact that he has been found to lie under oath, is it the kind of thing like just collectively you have mccabe, the summarization of everything he's saying, then perhaps corroboration from james comey. can that allow this to move it forward? >> i just don't think it will. i think it is a distraction. i think the central focus of the case will be the obstruction with comey. i think because there is this battle between trump and mccabe and the department of justice has said mccabe lied to them several times, under oath and not under oath, i just think it