apparently donald trump junior and the others didn't find it that interesting, and later tweeted that it was a waste of time. jared kushner tried to get out of the meeting apparently asking his assistant to make a call. it wasn't exactly the kind of compromising material they were looking for. now, cia officers and others we spoke to say the most important thing is that this meeting took place at all, and that vefl knit sky -- veselnitskaya who says she doesn't work for the kremlin, but she certainly has a role as she described as an informant. what that means is something she hasn't set forth. not exactly clear what it is, but it's clearly a connection, and then -- >> let me, richard -- >> there's a great degree of influence. >> richard, let me take some of what you're saying and put it to karen, our former federal prosecuter and say does anything