>> right. unwitting is growing more implausible as this goes on. >> exactly. like the idea that this wasn't coming from some type of well-sourced russian official. i mean, i find that a bit i implausible. trump's argument has always been, we didn't know what we were doing, we didn't expect we were going to win. we were a fly by night operation a bunch of guys working on a shoe string budget with twine and bubblegum holding this ship together. okay, is that a legally defensible case to make in court? i don't think so. >> jeremy, can you answer that? >> ir think it's tenuous. again, it will go to intent. this is one of the reasons why it is important that the president actually sits down and has a interview with bob mueller it's because bob mueller needs to understand what was in the president's mind when he authorized his senior high