well, one of the most important things is the perception he's a mega billionaire. i think he cares more about that than any of this potential legal jeopardy -- >> but let's get out of the now vortex. it's not the most important thing to the american people who care about their taxes and health care and education. so if you're the american people out there watching this, do you actually care? beyond humiliating the president? do you care if he has any dough or not? >> i don't think his base cares about any of this. that's a lesson that hasn't been lost on the trump administration writ large. we know that with greg pruitt. >> scott pruitt. >> scott pruitt rather. we could come through this whole mess with him still in this office and trump supporters not caring about these ethical violations because that's what the president's allowed to do. >> i have a feeling the scott pruitt situation only getting stickier. now on to the other big story. we learned about an hour ago that dr. ronny jackson is dropping his bid to become the next secretary of veterans affairs. it comes the day after va