he interviewed in the election somewhat bizarrely with the announcement of the hillary e-mails and all that stuff. he called your attorney general, you have an orderly process, you get a good replacement, two weeks in, you ask james comey to resign, he resigns. i don't think anyone -- honestly, it would have been legitimate. but what's not legitimate is calling up and having comey come over for a one-on-one dinner at the white house one week in. that, by itself for me, is so stunning. what can possibly be the purpose of that, except to find pout what is really -- what they know and where he's going and how influenceable and persuadable and pressurable he is. so that is part of a beginning of an attempt to control, limit, curb, obstruct the investigation. >> two key points. one that's bad for the intelligences. you say, what else could they have done? there are many things they could have done that were less dramatic, given what an explosive and unverified charge it was. you could call the white house counsel and say, we have no reason to think this is true, it might come out on cnn, we're flagging it for you, you might want to brief the president. and you have a real one on one.