cohen needs to plead the fifth? joining me now is stormy daniels' attorney michael avenatti. michael, if you could just explain that for me in layperson's terms. i'm a bit confused as to why -- you had predicted that michael cohen would take the fifth so it sounds like your prediction is coming true, but why does he need to plead the fifth according to the judge? >> joy, thanks for having me this morning. good morning. >> good morning. >> the judge has effectively ordered michael cohen if he wants to attempt to stay the case to file a declaration stating that he believes his fifth amendment rights are implicated and explaining why. why michael cohen is under the belief that, in fact, if the case goes forward, our case, why it may implicate his fifth amendment rights. that's what he's asking him to do. he is a he not asking him to plead the fifth quite yet, but he wants more information about the overlap between the criminal investigation and the facts of our case because as it stands now and as the judge told