that to michael cohen, i know you're not a snitch, is that interfering with a witness? >> donald trump has done so many things to me that seem like interference with witnesses, the pardon o joe arpaio, scooter lib by, are clearly intended to influence witnesses and to say i've got your back, i'll pardon you, don't worry about this, don't cooperate, lie, you can be in contempt of court, i'll still pardon you. so yes, this is one more aspect of it. but i think that cohen has to think about, he also has state crimes that he could be facing. and would he rather serve his time in a federal prison or in a state prison? he's going to obviously opt for the federal prison system instead of the state prison system. so we have to just see whether he will or won't. he said i would take a bullet for the president, which is something gordon liddy side during watergate, and gordon liddy lived up to it.