going to go forward and michael cohen, for example, is going to be deposed to try to determine the validity of the confidentiality agreement that he will have to take the fifth amendment for virtually every question after his name and address. so i want to know in your civil case if michael cohen takes the fifth amendment in that case, does that pretty much close the case? i can't quite see what the testimony would be on the michael cohen side of the case that could lead to a finding in favor of michael cohen if there is, in the end, virtually no testimony? >> well, lawrence, i agree. we've heard for weeks from david schwartz, michael cohen's spokesperson and others, all this chest thumping about how they were going to sue my client for $20 million and take her for everything she's worth. if michael cohen takes the fifth amendment, that's never going to happen.