rules, let alone the sitting president's lawyer, this is more than a far-flung fec campaign theory. you think there is some other indicia evidence of crime or conspiracy. >> i've listened to that from your colleagues all afternoon. that is ridiculous. this is not a campaign finance violation. under the edwards case, that was a problematic case to begin with. it is a correctable offense. it is not that level of offense. they have evidence of some kind of obstruction of the process. >> and we're on the record on this show of reporting exactly why it is unlikely that you would bring a criminal charges based on the stormy payment to michael cohen. indeed, i've had communications with michael cohen about our reporting on that front. i would say as someone who's given, you know, given that analysis once, what i'm seeing tonight as a lawyer, along with your analysis is, something bigger than the fec is at foot. >> something bigger. let's take it to the next step. one of the reasons the justice department does not usually do this is, because they do have a probe going on -- obviously,