was walking in. >> he probably tried. >> james stravridis, i just thik that people in liberal democracies and from a liberal tradition need to understand so much of what's happened in america and so much what's happened in europe also is a reaction because european countries have refused speaking of gray zones to take a middle ground on immigration, where it's open up, open up the borders, have an eu where somebody can come in in one country and go across 27 other countries and the people -- a lot of people, a lot of labor voters in britain said enough. that's why they voted the way they voted in brexit. there has been no middle ground