that manner he should try to stick it out. if he's gone, i'm not sure the president bring someone in who will be able to prevent him from creating catastrophe. >> you mentioned instincts and the president's instincts towards chaos. we have this report that describes some of john kelly's contributions to the white house but includes this, quote, under kelly's watch the president now has policy time. sessions once or twice a day where advisers present and argue their competing views over a specific issue with trump presiding. what does that say about the way he shapes policy? >> look, i think ultimately the buck stops with the president, right, and i remember when general kelly was first selected, the idea or the notion was being put out that he would be able to create a white house that would function more normally as what we have seen in the past. that is not the case. why is that? because, again, the president doesn't listen to his advisers.