ultimately gotten away with the most wrongdoing. again, as i said earlier, he does not care about what scott pruitt has done. what he cares about is the repercussions of what scott pruitt has done and continues to do. it's the headlines. it's the taking away from trump making the headlines. it is not the act of wrongdoing. there's a reason why so many in this administration are behaving the way that they can because the example's being set at the top. >> evan, i want to give you the chance to answer, as well. why do you think that trump still has scott pruitt's back after this? >> donald trump likes scott pruitt because he's gotten results. donald trump forgets that you could put anybody in there because the republican party for the most part holds scott pruitt's views and would be able to execute what he has done. donald trump could have somebody who's a no-drama person running the epa, getting all of the results that scott pruitt has gotten, and not essentially having these really scandalous situations. i have to also say that the person who's probably happiest with the scott pruitt story is ben carson because that's pushed