long that even if he cooperates, he's facing a decade in prison instead of two decades in prison. and he's saying i've got nothing to lose. i'm going to fight this. >> interesting. i could talk maybe about an hour about each of those questions but we have to move on. nbc reporting that robert mueller's team considers the president a subject in their investigation. not a criminal target. what should we make of that? i mean, is that still bad news for trump? >> it's kind of a bad news/meaningless news scenario. so the bad news is the president of the united states is being deemed a subject of a criminal investigation. nobody ever wants to see their name in the header of an fbi document. that's essentially what we're learning. he's been also told you're not yet a criminal target, meaning there's not yet substantial enough evidence for us to say we've got you and intend to charge you. here's what's going on behind the scenes.