renovate that wall, which is actually all they're talking about doing here. >> yeah, i mean, jonathan, to watch secretary get twisted there. because she's got to figure out what it means exactly, i guess the question is, is he building a new wall on the border or is he not building a new wall on the border? >> the chant renovate that wall and not clear how we're going to pay for it is not the sort of catchiness that we saw in those rallies. this consideration is something that, you know, has been in the works for a while. that does not match up with reality. it's rhetoric and reality, an uneasy relationship. they are -- one of the greatest things, the greatest frustrations the president has is the lack of the wall which was his signature campaign item. very frustrating for him that