danny so va lows. what does that mean? is the president off the hook for now? >> finding out your client is a subject instead of a target is hardly a relaxing moment where you breathe out and say, oh, we're totally out of the woods. now i will tell you that generally speaking, some may disagree with me, but as a defense attorney, unless your client is squarely in witness land and not a target would you consider allowing them to meet with prosecutors or testify before a grand jury. but what the doj will tell you is that the technical difference between a subject and a target is that a subject's conduct is just within the scope of the grand jury's investigation. whereas the target, that means they have substantial evidence link iing that person to a crim.