encouraging people to move to electric cars. but we know that he studies show that some 300,000 people a year in this country die from dirty airborne related causes. do you really want to make that worse? it just makes -- the agency is about protecting public health and the environment. and i'm all for take a look at regulations. there's some that have outlived usefulness. new technology has superseded the kinds of things required. this is mindless. anything that had anything to do with barack obama, it's gone. good, bad, indifferent. we don't care. it's going to do real damage down the line. that's so troubling. > should pruitt have to go? >> well, i don't know who he would come in his place. that's the only trouble. he's certainly doing what the president wants him to do. no question about that. he would have gone long since because there have been enough stories with the travel and all sorts of stuff. he's not the energy lobbyist and yet acted like that on many occasions.