they make the argument he is a veteran, understands veterans issues and has the president's ear. but nobody is trying to credit make the argument that he has the management experience to lead an organization of a couple hundred thousand people as the va is. they just say that the last few directors of the va had that experience and they weren't able to turn that battleship around. perhaps it is time for someone with a different kind of resume, a andrea. >> i'm not questioning admiral ronnie jackson's qualifications being a physician, though he gave that rather controversial briefing about the president's health. but peter baker, this seems to that implications of the privatization issue where dr. shulkin was pushing back very hard against the political wing of the va in terms of private identifiesing the va. >> well, that's certainly the