would be parties like litigants who would be picking up rocks for any sign he wouldn't be telling the truth. one possible explanation for his silence here is it's just possible he's come to understand that fighting back with words in public isn't always the road to victory. certainly any lawyer counseling the president would have long ago, you know, run out of breath and voice saying, please, please stop talking. >> kelly, more than a few people have claimed that avenatti is using trump's own tactics against him to keep the story alive. you have these cryptic tweets, that cd or dvd which i think seems aimed very directly at the president. he's trying to say to him, we have proof. you've got the blockbuster tv intervow and avenatti says the ratings were higher than for the apprentice. what are you hearing that the white house can't seem to get past these headlines. >> avenatti also calls michael cohen a fixer which is a pejorative term to try to draw