>> i'm not exactly sure who they were. i believe it to be michael cohen. >> we've got a great panel to break all this down. midwin charles is an attorney for the law firm midwin charles and associates. grace law is a political reporter for new york 1. christine quinn, vice care of the new york state democratic party. matt welch, editor at large for reason, a libertarian monthly magazine. the legal part of this, midwin, because you have the lawyer saying he's not going to introduce any new evidence right now. that's his right as a lawyer. he's also been going out and giving all these interviews. he was pressed pretty hard on, you know, sort of where's the meat to use an old phrase. is this like any other case and he's entitled to his own legal strategy? or given that this is taking up an enormous time and attention at the white house of the country if he's got something? should he put it out there? >> what i think we're all witnessing is the degradation of the office of the president.