the departure of john dowd and then say we have a conflict. they would have known about the conflict of interest last week before they made the announcement public. i read the conflict, mike kethe spokesman or the trump team who stepped down of the drafting of the statement on air force one, they knew about that and waived the conflict. so it seems like either this was handled in a very clumsy matter or this is not really the only reason that they're not involved. so i think stay tuned and see if there is not perhaps some additional reasons that they may not be joining this team. >> okay. great stuff. barbara mcquaide, thank you so much for your time. >> thanks, richard, go blue. >> go blue, exactly, we'll be watching that when that does happen. turning now for the white house, spokespersons for hud secretary ben carson and v.a. secretary shulkin are firing back about reporting of their futures with the trump administration. carson's advisers saying whatever narrative is out there, it's entirely manufactured by the media, not a shred of truth to it, quote me on that.