your relationship? >> friendly. >> talked a lot. >> sometimes. >> when you worked on a deal, talked on the phone, in person? >> mostly in person. i was two doors down. i would go upstairs and speak to him. but to return to your question about how is it that i meet people like that, as an example, knocking on donald trump's door and saying hi, let's start working. when i was working on telecommunications deal, i was invited to a dinner party in moscow. and there was a lot of russians there. i was there and a guy walks in, an american guy older. and somebody says, you guys should meet each other. you're both cia agents. i thought it was a joke. and all evening long. >> he's predicting your future. >> i think so. i think he was. and he is sitting there and peppering me with questions all night long. i go to the bathroom. he follows me into the bathroom and says can i have your phone number. i said sure. i'd like to talk to you about business. i said no problem. i give him my phone number.