he sees that more in people like mike pompeo who he tapped to replace tillerson at the top. he sort of is at a point where he's trusting his own gut politically, whether it's moving forward and having talked with kim jong-un, something that sort of took the entire foreign policy world by surprise or his move on tariffs. he's looking for people to back him up and see his sort of america first view. he's not really looking for people who are giving contrary views or trying to get them to see the other side of things, and that's why the people who are rumored to be on the outs, people like h.r. mcmaster or even john kelly, his chief of staff, are rumored to be perhaps on their way out because they found themselves often on the side of trying to talk the president down. >> chris, when we look at john kelly, when he took over, there was thinking that he would sort of bring order to chaos in the white house with all the upheaval. is the business in the white house happening? >> no.