mess. we've helped to make it a mess. >> welcome back to "hardball." that was trump during the campaign dismissing anything -- well, experts. them. while trump may not value policy expertise he likes a good tv permanent. given the candidates who are being considered for jobs in his administration. let's bring in our roundtable. share michael singleton, stephanie president of emily's list and alicia roscoe from reuters news service. shermichael, does he like fix his own teeth when he has a cavity. >> the maybe. >> does he fix his own plumbing? if he does like certain kinds of experts but not the big kind. >> there is value in having people with experience and knowledge in certain subject areas. those individuals have guided previous presidents and leaders across the board how to make the proper decisions for organizations and countries. it's interesting when you