i said he was a strong leader which he is. he might be bad, he might be good, but he's a strong leader. i believe that he feels he and russia did not meddle in the election. he's running his country. at least he's a leader unlike what we have in this country. >> but again, he killed journalists that don't agree with him. >> well, i think our country does plenty of kill also, joe. >> so much loving of vladimir putin. what do you think about the sanctions? >> the sanctions tell me they're pretty freaked out -- at the white house about what mueller did. the career staff who probably tried to get these things done for over a year finally won out because they wanted to show they're willing to do something against russia. i think two things about that. one, when they start acting conventionally, when this white house starts acting conventionally and bowing to public pressure that's when you know that they're nervous and that's when you know -- they get