but it could mean one of two things. it means he either is acknowledging that this is going on for a lot longer, that this is not wrapping up, that he in fact is going to be facing this mueller probe for some time. and it could also mean that he thinks he is in trouble, and he wants to get more aggressive. famously, his lawyer ty cobb has been cooperative with the mueller investigation. he may think it's time to switch gears. he may think that they want to push back a bit. that's also going to leonarngth the amount of time it takes to finish this investigation, but that may be reason for a shake-up. >> former trump campaign sam nunberg on the ari melber show a few moments ago revealed new details about his voluntary interview with the special counsel robert mueller last month. let's watch what he has to say this. may explain why trump might be getting a little worried. >> did mueller's folks ask anything that related to these issues around payments to people or women? >> well, look, they asked if i had ever heard anything about that. and my answer is i never have.