could get a methodology where money could flow through allies and would not be identified through the traditional banking routes. it has to be money. >> it's interesting -- and by the way, eric prince is the brother of betsy devos who was rewarded with the job of secretary of education under donald trump, not saying that those two things are connected but some information that you should know. navid, the other question that this all begs is why would you need to establish a back channel if the administration was incoming shortly? they would be the administration. you could establish a front channel, so why would they do it? it doesn't seem that there's an innocent explanation for that. >> that's exactly right. it's important to remember the context in which this january meeting occurred. it occurred almost a month after the infamous meeting between flynn, kushner and kislyak and the ceo of this russian bank that's been sanctioned in new york with the purported reason to set up a back channel also
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