bureaucracy, hey, i want to go a different way on a policy matter. but we don't want the president of the united states to wing it. we certainly don't want him to wing it when it comes to high stakes nuclear diplomacy. he needs the best advice from our military leaders, from our intelligence professionals, our state department diplomats. we're going to be much stronger if the president is armed and equipped with that expertise. and if he goes out there alone without it, i think we're going to ultimately fail in this effort to get north korea to denuclearize. >> susan, i have to say, a lot of veterans have admitted there's an information gap. that's a polite way of saying, they know more about us than we know about them. i don't know who to blame for that, but that's kind of the fact of life, isn't it? >> well, that's right. i did an interesting show of my pockets a couple weeks ago with john pac, the main cia analyst trying to understand kim jong-un since he came to power six years