that are close to this investigation or dealing with this investigation it made them queasy and made them concerned as it gave the impression that there may be some type of coordination or what was the president really up to, why would he do that? he knows he shouldn't be doing that. >> michael, hang on for a second. bob, this is probably not according to legal experts rising to the level of witness tampering, right? >> right. from what i've seen, it's not. >> why not? >> essentially witness tampering would be getting the witness ahead of time and trying to coordinate your story or trying to influence their testimony in some way or do other things that were improper. it looks like in this case -- you never want -- as a client, you would -- as a lawyer you want your clients not to do this. it would give me heart burn if i was the president's lawyer -- >> have the president's lawyers have said don't be talking to them. >> i'm sure they have and i'm