york times" piece and the coauthor, michael schmidt, who is with us by phone tonight. michael, it seems to me there are two competing concerns here in your story. trump's concerns over what was asked and what was said to the special counsel, and the concerns of those who are hearing trump is asking about what happened with the special counsel. >> there's a longstanding expectation and advice that folks who are in the center of an investigation should not speak, either with prosecutors or with witnesses, as it could create an appearance of trying to interfere with an investigation. and the president has disregarded this, disregarded it back in february 2017 when he spoke to jim comey about the flynn investigation, and now as the investigation intensifies, engaging with reince priebus about his interview, engaging with don mcgahn about reports that mcgahn had been told by trump to fire mueller. and if you're someone who is
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