knowing how much donald trump lies and knowingly lies and lies on the record, has been caught lying. >> you mean like pretty much always. constantly. >> frequently, with a high frequency. i think that what your very interesting discussion here has been circling around as both a legal and political fact is that these stories raise the prospect of donald trump as both a potential perpetrator and victim, a perpetrator of potential sexual related criminal activity including the sexual assaults he is accused of and whether there are patterns of behavior or activities and buying silence that relate to those other claims, perpetrator. and victim, a potential victim of blackmail, of extortion, of foreign compromise. that is a very difficult and toxic circle to be tightening around the leader of a nation while he is under criminal investigation for other international conspiracy conduct. that is why this story matters so much more than any of its particular details.