have to be ultimately competent and able to get on the same page when the president makes a decision. and we haven't seen that happening at all over the past year. >> and tim, there is a tv quality to what mckay just described. i 19, that really is the old "crossfire" format on the cnn show that i know donald trump remembers. and so that's basically he is kind of booking a cable news show in the room with him. >> well, and that's how he ran the trump organization. but we should remember the trump organization was a boutique tiny operation. it was not a fortune 500 company. he had a small -- a handful of people who had been with him for decades. and he ran that tiny thing by the seat of his pants. it was not the federal government of the united states. he's the president of the united states. he's clothed in immense power. he has millions of people working for him. he has the nuclear arsenal at his disposal.