there's why there's so much resentment, they had a deal and feel like the state sfaerts reneged on it. the state senators feel like they can't afford it. they dug in as you hear them say they're not going anywhere. >> i'm going to ask you a question, i'm breaking the cardinal rules of television, do you happen to foe what the monetary amount is the difference between 4% and 5%? i've seen some reports that reporters say it's roughly $13 million. do you know if that sounds right? >> yeah, it's $13 million or so as a big picture thing. for most of the teachers, a 5% raise on the average is about $2,000 or so, and 4% is a couple hundred less than that. again, they're not into that as much as the principle. another thing, health insurance. most automative teachers say the