loosely about these things. >> there is just a fundamental carelessness about this administration. this complete inability to protect people, even the people he supposedly cares about from peril is extraordinary. >> although the main person trump put in jeopardy by talking to hope hicks is president donald trump. because every defense lawyer tells the client, shut the heck up. doesn't matter who you are talking to, because that person can be hauled into grand jury and made to tell robert mueller everything that you've told her. and we can be pretty sure that at some point miss hicks will receive that subpoena to the federal grand jury. >> and she spent two days with robert mueller investigators already. but if they prepare to bring charges she would be asked to go before the grand jury and testify. >> yes. and the scary thing for donald trump, this is a pyramid prosecution so robert mueller is moving up to the top. so when we look at people like hope hicks and jared kushner, that is almost the next level, the next level --