director of national intelligence saying russia is doing this. when you have an occupant in the oval office that refuses to admit that and see it, it's really hard to be his adviser. >> i have had so many conversations about the fact the messages on russia coming out of the white house and other branches of government are so different. that undercuts their efforts. let me ask about the other big piece of news. jared kushner has come under a microscope this week. his security clearance has been significantly downgraded. we learned there's a lot of scrutiny over some companies profiting after they actually had meetings at the white house with jared kushner. has he became a liability and could that actually threaten national security? >> whether he's a political liability, i won't touch that one, but i think the two pieces that he's really started to run afoul of, security and standard ethics. on the ethics piece, it's exactly why we ask people to separate themselves from business interests coming in. on the security piece, in my view, once you don't have a top